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Strikers Gain Fan Support

November 12, 2007 2:53 PM

Battlestar GalacticaAlthough the Writers Guild of America's pre-strike media campaign was criticized as sluggish, the guild's headline-grabbing series of protests last week have managed to attract the sympathy of some viewers.

Seventeen entertainment blogs—among them Televisionary, Give Me My Remote and The TVAddict—will go dark Tuesday, replacing their sites with WGA solidarity statements.

"Some people thought we'd be against the writers because our favorite shows are going away, but we wanted to show that some things are more important than a few shows airing full season," says Glowy Box blogger Liz Pardue, who organized tomorrow's "blog strike." "There needs to be an education effort made and we're trying to do our part."

This morning, “CSI” fans funded a Burbank aerial banner fly-by with a statement of support.

Fan site AintItCoolNews.com and others have linked to a petition supporting the writers that claims more than 44,000 signatures. “The sooner the strike is settled, the sooner the writers can return Dwight Schrute, Nancy Botwin, Chloe O’Brien and Hurley Reyes to us,” the site says.

By putting showrunners front and center last week, the WGA managed to emphasize that original episodes of fan favorites such as “The Office,” “Lost” and “Desperate Housewives” are at risk. The guild also crystallized its complex contract dispute around the singular topic of online downloads. This week, the WGA plans to put more prime-time actors on the picket line to continue feeding the media mill.

In this regard, the networks and studios have thus far been at a disadvantage.

The Alliance of Motion Picture & Television Producers has impressive executives in front of the microphones, but nobody who has come across as sympathetic or relatable. Statements by media moguls such as CBS President Leslie Moonves and News Corp. President Peter Chernin shrugging off the strike are also, in effect, shrugging off the concerns of their viewers.

Moreover, the AMPTP argument that the strike hurts below-the-line workers could effectively paint writers as unduly selfish for going on strike, especially right before the holidays—if it weren’t being undermined when Mr. Chernin says the strike is “probably a positive.” And: “We save more money in term deals and, you know, story costs and probably the lack of making pilots than we lose in potential advertising."

Makes it tougher to argue writers are being greedy when you’re pointing out the bottom-line benefit of hundreds of employees losing their jobs.

UPDATE: Glowy Box (good name, tho fellow protesting blog "Seriously? OMG! WTF?" also has merit) has updated her Tuesday blog blackout list: 21 entertainment blogs and counting will go dark in a few hours. With the story of their protest getting considerable online pickup, let's see if they can all withstand that meth-like blogger urge to post content tomorrow as their traffic surges.

UPDATE II: Striking Bloggers Plan "Adopt a Writer" Campaign

Entertainment blogs supporting WGA strikers plan to continue their writer solidarity efforts with an "Adopt a Writer" campaign.

The plan is still in early stages and has not yet been announced, but the general idea to have each blogger profile a striking Hollywood writer—tell their story about why they're on strike and how it's affected their life. The striking writers won't contribute any content to the blogs since they are, after all, on strike.

UPDATE III: WGA Nixes Friday "Fan Day" Rally

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Comments (284)

Mike:

Oh no.. How will we survive for one day without blogs?

President Bush needs to step in and resolve this.

Dave:

Nice one Mike.

Roger:

On behalf of all web users everywhere, I would like to say "thank you for not blogging". Somehow I'll live without their timely, well-informed opinions on everything under the Sun.

Maggie:

Mike, seriously, why even bother to comment if that's what you're adding to the discussion? It's a show of support for an issue that has virtually shut down an industry. I applaud them for thinking of people other than themselves and organizing this.

Oh Noes!!:

Oh no- won't someone think of the bloggers?

Doc T:

Take a week off see how fast your site fades into irrelevancy. Oh wait many are already there.

Marc:

Since when are bloggers considered writers? Anyone with a computer and a keyboard can blog.

File this one under: Who cares.

Tim:

Yeah, and that is the problem. They have shut down an industry. That is the problem with unions of any kind. This will only end badly for the writers. It will probably end with the Guild breaking apart. I honestly cannot put my sympathy behind a bunch of millionaires on a picket line. Get to work, or find another job! If you were worth it, you would be paid it. You're not, so you're not.

God. When the Drudgereport links to something the comments always become so retarded.

JoJo Dog:

Not only is this the asinine, but it also appears to be a new level of brown nosing.

bob burns:

Outsource scriptwritting to India. Fire all those fools

sara:

I have a hard time getting behind television and hollywierd's left wing-nut writers...they so hate my country, my values, my culture and my skin color - especially men who share my skin color.

I hate socialism and it's progagandaists and it's politicans. I despise the shallow, soulless crap that comes out of these idiots pens for an ever shrinking public consumption on televison and in politically correct loser movies and newspapers.

Strike! Put your nasty selves out of business for good. Something with an American free soul my arise to replace you and uplift us.

Gee, I'm a blogger and a writer. So file this under: Shove it, jerks. I'm certain the mainstream media crap you all read is any better.

Andrew:

Maggie, seriously get a sense of humor. Mike, high-five dude.

I'm with Kyle:

Good point, Kyle. The comments here were always so riveting before the riff-raff arrived.

tim:

Who Cares About Hollywood!!!!!!!!!!

tim:

Who Cares About Hollywood!!!!!!!!!!

Ken:

Why don't they just FIRE all the writers, bring in some new young blood and get some quality programming on TV? The writers are greedy for the no-talent writing they are currently making.

Tom:

I care. I don't, however, care about Rephuklycans.

Jim:

Hey Kyle...how am I suppose to get the news most major news sources will not print or report. The Drudgereport has all that and more. I bet you got this link from Drudge.

Mutt:


This is just an attempt by bloggers to get the credibility of real writers. cough cough.

Lame is as lame does....

Bob Dee:

Tim, what millionaire writers are you talking about? Most of us on the picket line make about $60,000 a year. We are on salary. The average sitcom writer or drama writer is nowhere near being a millionaire. They own average homes in middle class neighborhoods. Most are now wondering if they will be able to make their mortgage payments come 2008. They write because that's the profession they love and chose to pursue, certainly not because of the money.

Sara, it might interest you to know that there are a considerable number of consevative writers in Hollywood. We don't get the press that the left-wing pinko writers do, but that's the nature of the media and its liberal slant. A lot of these people DO seem to hate America and its culture. But hurting all of us financially isn't going to solve the culture war. It'll just remove those of us who care and are really trying to make a difference with quality programming and stories with a positive, moral slant.

mRed:

Tom, Good job wrapping up in one sentence why so many people do not care about Democrats/liberals and their areas of interest. People such as you have spent a life time looking down on Republican/conservatives. Thank you for that because you have swelled their numbers. Now go feel smug and intellectual.

Gourry:

This is the dumbest thing ever. What will we do without writers and now bloggers? *end of world*

anon:

I've been waiting for years for the trash streaming from Hollywood to dry up so this strike is a dream come true!

Dave:

Hollywood is the #2 pollutor in California and they pump out 140 tons of pollutants a year. Finally Hollywood is helping the enviroment.

This is an interesting idea, but a DC lawyer who writes The ipinions Journal blog went on strike all of last week in support of the WGA. So much for the belated one-day support.

Sorry, I got the address to his blog wrong.

This is an interesting idea, but a DC lawyer who writes The ipinions Journal blog went on strike all of last week in support of the WGA. So much for the belated one-day support - www.theipinionsjournal.com

Mik:

Self importance, thy name is internet.

Ken Bodie:

For you young ones. The unions put Easteern Airlines, Pan AM, and TWA out of business and they are slowing doing that the domestic auto companies. By the way, why does talented writers need a union? People should be flocking to their doors...its the ones that don't have talent that need a union, or a mother to help them along.

Freddy:

Let me get this straight. You make between 60,000.00 and millions a year for doing something that you love. I will admit that I am against unions in principal but I do understand when low wage workers go on strike on jobs they don't care for. You guys are just spoil brats who have adopted the socialist crap as your religion. Workers of the world unite, you have nothing to lose except your brains.

bob:

Oh" poor me, the world is coming to an end without writers and bloggers. Based on the quality of writing coming from Hollywood and the quality of the content on most if not all blogs, I hope this strike last for 10 years. Don't pay them another cent and while your at it, fire most of the actors as well.

Scott_H:

Bob Dee, you swayed me. I was ready to rip on someone, until I read your comment. Cool, and thanks for the response. I am with YOU, good luck, and I hope this is resolved soon so you can have a great Christmas.

George:

The point that has always puzzled me about residuals is why writers accept them in the first place. All the stories I have heard about crooked accounting by the studios I would not trust them to accurately pay me anything. My suggestion is trade all the residuals for a much higher rate of pay upfront.

Gee sara, I assume your skin color is white, isn't it? You racists amuse me. You can kiss by black ass as far I'm concerned...

PittsburghAfterDark:

Wow, you mean we won't get another National Lampoon straight to DVD movie for the duration? Oh noes, whatevers will we's do!

Somehow I think I could survive the writer's strike with no harm done. I'm thankful that with no movies being written, shows being made that lessens the chances of some "breakout" new idiot of the moment showing us how small their brain is by telling America how they and their President suck.

You know it's the writers that put words into these "actors" and "actresses" mouths. The longer they're on strike the longer we get to enjoy not being told that white, heterosexual men with jobs are the root of all evil.

Maybe Letterman can bring back the velcro wall. It's more entertaining than anything he's done in years.

I hope all you writers starve. If you're making 60k living in California and decrying capitalism and corporate profits? Wow, you're even dumber than I thought. I at least thought you made money to be that ignorant.

Guess not.

Rico:

And this is a problem for who? They're not real reporters/writers anyway (Bloggers). And, maybe whenever they finish their strike, the writers for TV shows can come up with some good ideas for a change...

I am not on strike.
I have over the years watched less and less TV. It has become crap. There is plenty of content on the web for me.

People should read more. Independent Authors respect their readers and will never strike.

Brett Blatchley:

Sounds good to me!

The more members of Hollywood and their ilk in various parts of the media shut-up, the better for this nation.

Writers in all our media, in particular, have almost certainly done more to shape America's poor reputation abroad and its cultural decline domestically, than any ten of our worst presidencies.

My regret is that this strike will be over before their "industry" is crippled.

Marcus:

I'm not writing any checks until the writers strike is over, I known they'd do the same for me. The Donald.

Steve Hillmer:

I say good riddance to all the writers. These shows are all a bunch a garbage/crap anyway.

Marcus:

I'm not writing any checks until the writers strike is over, I known they'd do the same for me. The Donald.

hellywood:

QUOTE:

I hope all you writers starve. If you're making 60k living in California and decrying capitalism and corporate profits? Wow, you're even dumber than I thought. I at least thought you made money to be that ignorant.

Guess not.

****

Pittsburgh, that was one of the most crude but still effective post I've read regarding this strike. We live in the land of 5000 channels. My faves are 24 and Lost and I won't kill myself if I don't see them for another 2 years. Get a life people. The History Channel is more interesting to me than the "Office".

It is hypocrisy to see these writers whine about their mortgages when a warehouse worker in North Carolina couldn't even make $10/hr. Finally these writers from hollywood can come down from their ego ivory towers and get a job at Starbucks.

DM:

Someone tell those bloggers that their going dark is going to be seen by many people as a reason to keep the strike going, rather than a reason to end it.

Or don't tell 'em and let's see what else goes dark for the duration.

Brett Blatchley:

Allow me to add the following:

If you're a conservative, perhaps you should leave the Hollywood, mainstream media scene. Your work is being drowned under the deluge of intellectual sewage. I daresay your impact is nil; they hate you; you are not changing them, and you are being sullied by association.

Why not begin to form your own media organizations? Bypass the conventional groups. Rush Limbaugh did it; you can to.

usa4freedom:

BFD!

Jerry in Simpsonville, SC:

There is a strike? So sad.

Larry Brewer:

So now we may never figure out who was behind the bombing of the WTC. We may never solve global warming. And god knows Britney will just run wild without the constant monitoring of bloggers. I guess life will go on but it won't be pretty.

Seriously, these are the most arrogant, useless, selfimportant, people on the planet and we are better off without them. Really if there is any one group that matters less to me than sitcom writers it would have to be bloggers. First they tried to pass themselves off as journalists and now they are pretending to be creative writers. What next, will they insist on being treated as relevant?

Give us a break.

Fred:

Wow, T Dog, is that professional writing? It is so impressive. Question: If a script falls in the forest and no one hears it it does it deserve a residual?

Jack Scribe:

I respect creative writers and their talents. Where are they? Aside from there being so many cable channel choices, can we analyze why ratings of network TV continues to drift downward? Crap show concepts and crap writing. I've returned to reading books from creative authors. TV cable news is about it for me.

DM:

Bob Dee: So you, and many of your fellow co-workers and co-strikers are out there doing what you love for a mere pittance. Let me ask you, and any other WGA writer-on-strike out there:

Do you really think this is a good thing?

Do you think that it's a good thing to have the writers all pulling down the same salary pay, whether they're good or just churning out schlock? When people get paid the same regardless of performance, they preform poorly. It's this result that has made many people simply tune out.

Don't you think it would be better if you were paid based on the quality of writing, the quality of the show? Use a standard that everyone accepts - Nelson rating or whatever - to get pay based on how well you actually do. Maybe adding some competition back into the market will promote better stories, because what you guys have been doing lately doesn't work.

You're not getting sympathy and support from people about your strike because quite simply people don't care about your job. You could be on strike for a year, leave us with naught but reruns, and most people wouldn't even notice. Says a lot, doesn't it?

Final note: If you were really "doing this because you love it and not for the money", then you wouldn't be on strike right now would you? You'd still be doing your job - because you love it, not for the money.

I'm sorry if this sound cruel or harsh, but it is what it is. If you truly want to write, then get out of the picket line and go find a way to write.

Don Wayne:

I guess when you are a member of a union that writes for shows that are reality, game, or originally made in the 70's & 80's, you need to go on strike. How about Hollywood just firing all these Union idiots and hire some new talent. Who knows, maybe TV will become interesting again. As far as the bloggers going on strike, good riddance.

David Rocketfeller:

yeah, and I'm tried of writing down to your fucking hillbilly asses. I can't tell you how many times in story meetings we're told to dumb it down so you god-fearing, jingoistic crackers can understand what the hell is going on. if it weren't for rich writers you'd have no welfare checks.

Frank:

You know when the comments go to crap that Drudge must have a link to it. Unions are socialist? Siding with the "millionaire writers?" What fools.

so what:

What if they had a strike and no one gave a damn?
They are on strike? Who knew?
Perhaps they will learn a bit of reality during their "hardship"

Enrioc Sanchez:

WHy not outsource all the writing to Mexico? We will do the yobs you lazy Americano won't do.

Gee Fred, was that a compliment? Or are you a Cubs fan? (Cubs fan = stupid)

Big Tuna:

How lame is a union these days anyway?...hey, 1920 called, they want their business model back!

Dwain Petty:

Who cares?

Fred:

Has anyone though about outsourcing jokes to India for Jay Leno's show.

Larry Brewer:

Hey D Rocketfeller!

if it weren't for rich writers you'd have no welfare checks. What?

Which is it? Are you rich writers or just "Most are now wondering if they will be able to make their mortgage payments come 2008"

If you are rich then what are you doing on a picket line with all those poor wage earners?

As for dumbing down scripts for the crackers, you have to remember they never watched Will and Grace anyway.

You guys are just one reality show away from working at McDonalds anyway.

I call for a strike by all a**holes....no more pooping for any reason...and if you cross the poopline all of us strikers get to poot at you.

RFK:

Well, let's hope this strike lasts a long time. 1000's of trees will be saved!

If you care about our ecology you should be thrilled that the trees won't be sacrificed for something as trivial as TV writing!

nrique:

If your unsure what exactly the future holds for media you need to read this report. The future for TV is on the net and the Corporations want the little guy to have NO part of the profits.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071112-online-video-bad-for-network-tv-good-for-network-web-sites.html

Robert:

The writer's strike is a really good idea. I hope it continues for about, oh, I don't know, 20 years?

To make a really valuable contribution to society it would be nice if the Associated Press script writers would join their brothers and sisters in a show of solidarity.

Dogs:

Who is writing the news for google? SHouldn't google show its support . . . shut down until the WGA strike is over . . . Or would that be considering too much from "we don't support evil". . . Heard they're willing to turn over private information. Like Yahoo.

Joe from Wayupahollerin, Wv.:

There is a God who hears my prayers! Thank you, writers, for striking. Thank you bloggers for shutting down in sloidarity.
Hopefully more folks will stop watching Telly altogether, as I did 17 years ago. Don't miss it. Never going back either. You bloggers, you may lose all of the eleven people that read you, but you'll get over it. Thanks for the entertainment!

Dogs:

Who is writing the news for google? SHouldn't google show its support . . . shut down until the WGA strike is over . . . Or would that be considering too much from "we don't support evil". . . Heard they're willing to turn over private information. Like Yahoo.

Brett Blatchley:

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yeah, and I'm tried of writing down to your fucking hillbilly asses. I can't tell you how many times in story meetings we're told to dumb it down so you god-fearing, jingoistic crackers can understand what the hell is going on. if it weren't for rich writers you'd have no welfare checks.

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Judging from the writing in this thread, the amateurs have it over the "pros" hands-down.


The arrogance and idiocy I read in posts such as I've quoted above, pretty much demonstrates the dynamic-range of thought and expression we "fucking hillbilly asses/god-fearing/jingoistic-crackers" have come to expect from our "betters" in Hollywood and the mainstream media.


As for "dumbing-down," you people reside in a perverted rectum of a fairyland where no one is as "smart" and "caring" as you, so your orders come as no surprise.


So "pros," pay attention, you might learn something that'll improve your writing (in areas such as vocabulary choice, paragraph structure, theme coherence, for example).


OK, it's time for me to get back to creating world-class software whist I collect my welfare check. ;-)

Bosephus:

I hope the whole industry shuts down and the sh*tbombs created by these hacks never see the light of day. I want stories about crackers! Soda AND redneck.

Edditor:

What can I do to prolong the Writer's Strike in order to free the global web of Bloggers? Please let me know and I will do my part!

Dave:

If they never went back to "work", I wouldn't bat an eye. TV is all crap nowadays. I stopped watching on a regular basis years ago, unless AMC had a good (read: old) movie on, local news (for the weather), or a DVD. Network TV? You gotta be kidding. Crapola. All it's good for is the Peggy Bundies of the world.

Bon-bons, anyone?

Martin Edward:

This strike can't last long because the neocommunists need the union dues extorted from all of us to buy a seat at the democrat table.
We work for the democrat party and they desperately need our union dues. The hell with your mortgage!
Hillie needs our money!

Meggeler:

WONDERFUL - who needs bloggers?

water head:

This story is so fake. Funny as hell though. Now let me get this right we are supposed to care about bloggers(people with grandiose dreams of self importance and too much time on their hands) that have about a .0000000000000000000001 share of any audience. I hope they do silence themselves. That would speed up the internet for the rest of us, searching for that really good free porn.

Ocz:

Ha ha hee hee... You all made me laugh... great comments!!! I'll take community forums over bloggers and writers anyday.

Tara DeBoomdeay:

Strike!
Strike until you get a respectable job.

In the interim, I have 400 quality movie DVD's in my recorded-off-the-air collection, made when real writers still wrote worthy scripts.

They should serve my screen entertainmnent needs for about 3 years.

Strike!

And be damned.

Tee-doggie:

"And that goes for the moronic shithead asshole who wrote about me."

What a thin-skinned little man.

HiTekRedNek:

The next thing that will happen will be the creation of a support foundation so the strikers can afford Christmas, or should it be X-mas, gifts for the kids. You produce CRAP and then go on strike for more money, don't expect the "hillbillies" and "dumb-ass crackers" to "feel your pain." Go call Slick Willy for that!

Meggeler:

Huh - Mr Rocketfeller:

. . .yeah, and I'm tried of writing down to your fucking hillbilly asses. I can't tell you how many times in story meetings we're told to dumb it down so you god-fearing, jingoistic crackers can understand what the hell is going on. if it weren't for rich writers you'd have no welfare checks.

I be a cracker that can understand anything you write - unless I dont care. Seems like I win! Get in the welfare line DUMMY! You exist for US, the general public.

Brett Blatchley:

Thought:


Maybe the real reason writers are ordered to "dumb-down" their scripts is because execs pay writers by-the-word. (The 'F' word is encouraged because it gets a quantity discount!)

Jason:

The entire concept of writers or actors having a union is absurd. Unions were created to protect employees who all did a job pretty much identically. Actors irectors have drasticy erent levels of abiolity. There's no need for them to have collective bargaining agreemnts, they can all negotiate thier own contracts based on their individual abilities. The production companies take all the risk by funding the shows and losing millions when shows or movies flop, they should get to keep the profits.

Tee-doggie:

"And that goes for the moronic shithead asshole who wrote about me."

What a thin-skinned little man.


At least you didn't attack me for being a White Sox fan...

chad:

i think this is a cute way of skirting the "what the hell else could we be writing about anyhow" issue

Maybe they're striking for pictures of new BMW SUV's, like the actual ones the screen writer picketers use to hold their picket signs when they aren't walking with them.

Think of all the virtual trees saved by bloggers not writing. Perhaps enough to halt the virtual global warming going on right now.

Scott Fitz:

This is not ending anytime soon.

Sandi Binder:

Gee, I hope the Daily Kos and Huffington Post join the strike.....Oh nevermind...they do not have real writers there LOL

voice over:

Unions are responsible for destroying so many jobs and businesses and inflating prices in this country. It is unfortunate that there are so many who have no faith in their ability and worth and who turn to the socialists for some sense of security and attempt to ruin their business or profession by extortion instead of earning thier income by demonstrating their talent and value. The liberalism rampant in the hate America storylines they regurgitate in Pavlovian responses to their ideological masters tells the true tale of the majority of these self important malcontents.

ANTI-HEROS LYRICS

"Fuck Hollywood"

Fuck Hollywood, fuck 'em today, Fuck the million dollar movies with nothing to say
Fuck the Sixties, fuck Oliver Stone, Fuck Rambo and Sylvester Stallone
Fuck Jane Fonda and Shirley MacLaine, Wishd they were fucking John Wayne
Fuck Capt. Stubing and fuck tattoo, And if you don't like this song then....Fuck You!

[Chorus]
{Fuck, Fuck Hollywood [3x]}

Fuck Sonny Bono and buttfuck Cher, Someone hit Geraldo with another chair
Fuck Michael Jackson and child molesters, fuck Rock Hudson and Schwartzenegger
Fuck the actors at the presidential ball, Fuck Oprah and Arsenio Hall
Fuck the Beach Boys those stupid pricks, Singing about women when they're sucking dick

[Chorus]

Fuck Hollywood, warped sense of reality, Where the truth is always the first casualty
Fuck the causes and the coalitions, The exercise they get is jumping to conclusions
Fuck the sex and fuck the smut, fuck the guys who take it up the butt
Fuck Hollywood 'cause they make me sick, it's like sticking my head in a bucket of shit!

C. A. Bridges:

So, if I'm reading the comments right, it's OK for a group of workers who were promised a specific method of payment - part upfront, part in tiny percentages based on the proven value of their work - to be ripped off by their employers who have found a way to both weasel out of their agreement and make even more money for themselves? Just because you don't like what the workers do?

You may not like their shows and movies, and that's fine. But millions of people do, and billions of dollars are being made, and people who were contractually promised a small portion of that profit - profit made from their work - are being muscled out of the picture. The sheer arrogance of watching the company heads say they can't pay writers because they don't know yet if the Internet is profitable right after telling their stockholders how much they'll be making online the next year is infuriating. I consider that kind of sneaky underhandedness is downright unAmerican, no matter what industry it is, and anythng that can draw it out into the light -- even a blogger blackout that you couldn't care less about -- is fine with me.

Don't like the shows? Don't watch 'em, as many of you have said you won't. But are you honestly in favor of companies, any companies, getting away with stiffing their employees?

TYLER BLOOM:

Went Trump's toupe goes on strike in support, you know it is getting serious...

A Clue For The Clueless:

Good to see that the ignorance is alive and thriving. Blogger's aren't really writers huh? They aren't taken seriously?

As someone who blogs and writes original stories on my blog, what difference does it make if only a few dozen or so people are the only ones that read?

Don't answer that it might require some of you to use the last few brain cells left shaking around in your empty heads.

If those of you that say writers or bloggers mean nothing to you, you've obviously proven so by leaving a comment EXPLAINING it to everyone.

If that's the case, don't read any more books, or watch any more movies, or ANY television whatsoever. Just put yourself into a nice dark corner and stay there. Your ignorance is quite disgusting to me.

As I'm sure it is to people that actually care about writing because it's what they love to do.

KD:

Bloggers show solidarity with striking writers: a guilt-free excuse not to blog while identifying with someone who actually gets paid to write at the same time. I'm for importing shows from anywhere. The world has been buying shows from us, how about some programming from Europe or South America. Or, slap on some movies. It's also a riot that talk shows can't just have people on and... you know...just talk !!!

Swim with the Cunts:

For all you pissants who think firing the striking writers and replacing them with new talent will improve the quality of television and movies, here's a tip:

The reason most stuff sucks isn't because of the writers, it's the dumbass studio execs and their insane notes. So go fire them.

As for better entertainment on the internet, I'd love to find some. Please someone tell me where all this great internet entertainment is because if TV is the sewer then the fucking internet is the corn in the crap floating in it, my friends.

Also, fuck Bush.

Swim with the Cunts:

For all you pissants who think firing the striking writers and replacing them with new talent will improve the quality of television and movies, here's a tip:

The reason most stuff sucks isn't because of the writers, it's the dumbass studio execs and their insane notes. So go fire them.

As for better entertainment on the internet, I'd love to find some. Please someone tell me where all this great internet entertainment is because if TV is the sewer the fucking internet is the corn in the crap floating in it, my friends.

Also, fuck Bush.

Jimmy:

T Dog says: "Gee, I'm a blogger and a writer. So file this under: Shove it, jerks."

Just the kind of insightful, reasoned commentary we've come to expect form way too many bloggers.

Lets' be honest- who cares if bloggers go on "strike"? No one, that's who. It's as if hobos went on strike. It has no real effect on society.

So, "T Dog", stop taking yourself so seriously. Because we just don't care. Call me when the police of doctors go on strike. Or even the garbage men. But bloggers? Puh-lease.

S. Williams:

This is for A Clue For The Clueless

Just because we refuse to side with your garbage, and you think that I will not be able to enjoy any entertainment in the future, SHOWS THE IGNORANCE IN YOU! This union does not have a monopoly on the written word. When the American public has had enough of your interference, the industry will replace you, or you will conform. My wish is that some new blood comes in to replace the stale shows that are being written today.

Jack:

I have to laugh when the lamers that churn out formulaic sitcom crap suddenly get this overweening sense of self-importance, as if the world will end if there isn't another episode of "24" or "Fear Factor" or "Everybody Loves Raymond".

I haven't watched TV in years because 99% of it is just insipid garbage. So please, all of you "writers", please stay on strike FOREVER.

The fact is that you're not important. Society won't crumble if you never put pen to paper again, my dear. In fact it's likely to be far better off if none of you ever wrote another stinking word again.

Sean in CA:

Voiceover, you haven't the faintest clue what you're writing about. Give the computer back to your parents and continue watching your "Simpsons" re-runs.


Voiceover says: "Unions are responsible for destroying so many jobs and businesses and inflating prices in this country. It is unfortunate that there are so many who have no faith in their ability and worth and who turn to the socialists for some sense of security and attempt to ruin their business or profession by extortion instead of earning thier income by demonstrating their talent and value. The liberalism rampant in the hate America storylines they regurgitate in Pavlovian responses to their ideological masters tells the true tale of the majority of these self important malcontents."

Brett Blatchley:

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But are you honestly in favor of companies, any companies, getting away with stiffing their employees?

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Of course not.


On the other hand, this standoff has Hollywood/media "ethics" written all over it.


I think people would have more sympathy for the writers if they (including the entire industry) did not hold their customer (us) in such contempt.


Frankly the writers and execs deserve each other, and my wish is that the entire industry would collapse. There is no more dangerous business.

A Clue For The Clueless:

S. Williams:

You know what I hear when I see comments from people like you?

Read closely, it looks like this:

Blah blah blah blah blah blah..... blah blah blah blah....

(It sounds like the school teacher from Charlie Brown)

I love it. You speak with words like "We," and "Us," like you're the whole world. Clue #1, you aren't. People that do a job have a right to be paid for it just as anyone else is paid for their labor in this world.

I don't get paid to write, and I don't write for Hollywood. I write because I love to do it, PERIOD. And you know what? I'll continue to do so if you don't mind.

And btw, when exactly did all of America vote you as their spokesperson? I must have missed that.
Nobody has said that Hollywood's writer have a monopoly on writing, you did. As I write this there are people like me writing something. It's like breathing to writers. But I guess writer might have too much imagination and creativity. What exactly do you do to entertain people pal?

Writers have a union to protect themselves from being abused and taken advantage of from the studios and networks; much like any telecom company, or automotive manufacturer.

I will support them regardless of what you say.

Rob:

True professionals don't require unions. End of story.


Dave:

My mailman delivers the mail on time everyday...I think he should get a residual on the price of a stamp! Seriously, work for a set salary...if its not enough..do your job better or find another. Look at the demise of the US auto industry. It was fueled by inflated wages for unskilled labor that was negotiated through union contracts. I agree with performance driven incentives for writers or any employee. It gives ownership in the project and rewards excellence.

JoJo Dog:

For those of you who keep saying, "Just change the channel or turn the TV off if you don't like it," I'm guessing you're not good at math because people are doing exactly that. I don't think a TV show has had a 8.0 or higher rating. Since a 9.2 rating is equal to about 10 million viewers, less than 3% of the USA are watching any single program this season. This is a far cry from the 50%-plus when Granny fought a kangaroo on the Beverly Hillbilies. Sure, you can use the excuse that there were less channels back then, but shouldn't the networks be retaining at least 10% of the US population for their most popular shows?

M A Rand:

Who cares?

Rosie O'Donnell:

I love eating hair pie and I smell like an old man's balls.

Hillary Clinton:

I love eating hair... dangit, Rosie beat me to it.

The majority of you commenting have about as much intilect as the dump I just took..

These writers need to shut the hell up and get back to work before they get fired.

What a bunch of cry baby bitches. Work a real day you lazy freeloaders.

I weep for americas future because of manbag carring wet manty girlymen this is what we get. A buncha fruit loops who make well over 6 figures bitching.

GG retards.

C. A. Bridges:

"I agree with performance driven incentives for writers or any employee. It gives ownership in the project and rewards excellence."

Which would be fine if that was being offered as a replacement for residuals. It's not.

The reason for residuals in the first place was because some shows made a mint in syndication. Writers began demanding more for their scripts because they were potentially worth more. The studios didn't want to raise the base pay, since they (quite rightfully) reasoned that only some scripts would be worth that much, and most shows run once and die. So the plan was created, by the writers and studios both, that the writers would take less upfront and get a percentage (2.5%) of the profits if the show they wrote became popular. That way if the studio made money from the script, the writer made money, and meanwhile the studios got scripts written for less upfront.

The deal for videos was that the studios said they couldn't tell what the market would be like, and they really really needed to keep costs down so videos would take off, so would the writers accept an 80% pay cut on those residuals. Where they would get 2.5% on a rerun, they would now get only .3% per video sold. Roughly 3-4 cents per video, and later DVD. Despite assurances to the contrary, this percentage has stayed the same for 22 years.

Now more studios are running shows online, complete, with commercials, and showing fewer reruns on TV, meaning the writers' residuals -- the money they were promised if their scripts were popular, remember -- are dwindling. Of course they're going to strike. Most of them don't have a choice. Few writers work all year around or every year, that part of their income is important.

There's an industry that has suddenly decided to cut pay drastically for a class of its workers who are essential to the industry's success, and wants to make them look like the ones at fault. And people are rooting for them? I don't understand it.

Although I am getting a laugh out of some of the comments complaining about the idiocy of television. You get more of what you watch. The really intelligent shows tend to get cancelled quickly from low ratings, and shows like American Idol fill the top ten list every week. Looks like its in the studios best free-market interests to keep showing crap.

C. A. Bridges:

"A buncha fruit loops who make well over 6 figures bitching."

According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, the median annual salary of a scriptwriter is $44,350. Only a lucky few make a lot more, but focusing on them certainly makes the studios look better so by all means, let's pretend they're all rich.

And then next time your boss decides to slash your pay without cause it won't be a big deal because we'll just assume you make the same as the most highly paid person in your occupation so you won't be hurting any.

Jeremy:

If anyone who has sympathy for a group of people who avg. $202,000 a year they are crazy. WGA writers and those who support them are all greedy p.o.s. they say that they arent being treated right and want more....

Well heres one ot think about, when being paid $30,000 for a TV script, why is that not enough? what more do you need? You take no risk, you put no money up, you get paid for your job and then you are done.

When a Car designer designs a car, he gets paid for his design, when the car is sold, he does not see a check for how many cars are bought, nor does he get paid for every time it as a used car is sold. So why do the writers need risiduals? They dont! They are over paid, and are not the entire industry. If they dont like it, Go Write an F*ing book. The industry is sick of the whining and crying that an upper class union is making about "needing" more money. F you WGA. Thanks for making the rest of the industry suffer.

Eric:

Great. I sincerely wish those bloggers use the self-imposed hiatus wisely, i.e. go take a good shower, go outside and breathe some fresh air, and go get a life!

JoJo Dog:

CA Bridges:

In response to your "next time your boss decides to slash your pay without cause it won't be a big deal", I must point out that no one is slashing anyone's pay. Writers are paid to write the script. The sells from VHSs, DVDs and the internet are not part of the salary. The strike is to gain some money from these sells.

To say that this is a slash is pay is like equating caps on Social Security payouts and other government programs. There is no cutback on the money being paid out, there is a cutback on the increase of what's being paid out. Don't overplay your cards if you want people to support you.

A Clue For The Clueless::

C. A. Bridges:

It's pointless to try debating with people who just don't get it. It's like trying to talk sense to a rock.

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And hey Jeremy, good comparison comparing a machine to a story or movie. You must be proud in your assumptions. Now that you feel better about yourself for enlightening the rest of us who have a clue, you can return to the hole that you pulled that 30k for a tv script figure out of.

C. A. Bridges:

"When a Car designer designs a car, he gets paid for his design, when the car is sold, he does not see a check for how many cars are bought, nor does he get paid for every time it as a used car is sold. So why do the writers need risiduals? They dont!"

Please check my post a few messages up. They need residuals because that's the deal the studios made with them in exchange for smaller upfront payments. Same as royalties for novelists and songwriters.
And WGA members do not average $202k a year, although the studios certainly want you to think so.

To use your example, it would be as if the car designers' boss came to him and said "Jim, we're going to cut your salary in half. But we'll pay you a buck for every one of your cars we sell, so if you do a good job we'll both benefit." Jim quickly discovers that he makes money during peak buying times, but loses money during slow seasons or when his car design is out of style. So he learns to budget and keeps working on designing more cars.

And then the boss tells him that well, they're not going to pay the buck thing any more, but his pay won't go back up, either.

Personally, I think his boss would be lucky if all Jim did was go on strike.

JoJo Dog:

A Clue For The Clueless:

I understand exactly what you and others are saying, I just think you are wrong. Let me using an anology. If I commission an artist to paint or to sculptor something, I pay him a flat fee. If I sell that work of art, do I need to pay him a percentage? If the person I sold the artwork to decides to sell it to someone else, does the artist need part of that profit? I say no. However, if written in the original contract that the artist will get some of the profit, then I have no problem with it.

The other thing to remember is that most writers gave up ownership of their writing when they were decided to work for salary. Do the writers own the shows that they write on? No. Do they own the stories that they write? The answer is again no. I have no problem with writers keeping ownership of their work, but if they signed a contract that prevents them from having ownership, then I have little sympathy for them to gain more money than what's written in their contracts already. However, for future work, I have no problem.

C. A. Bridges:

Residuals are part of the payment for the script, JoJo Dog. Says so in the studio contracts. They get paid to write the script, and they get 2.5% of revenue from reruns, and .3% of video and DVD sales. Most screenwriters get paid incrementally; part when they submit the first draft, part when the final version is approved, and the rest in residuals. That's what "residuals" means, the "left over" part of the payment.

Next time you hire a carpenter on a half now, half later basis, try stiffing him on the second half because it's not really part of his salary.

The strike is to bring up the percentage on DVDs from .3% to .6% (roughly from 4 cents to 8 cents per $15 DVD, upon which the studio makes $9) and to make Internet reruns pay the same residuals as TV reruns. I can certanily see where that's unfair, expecting the studios to honor their promises.

(And no one's supporting me, I'm not a scriptwriter or involved with Hollywood at all. I just get annoyed when people make gut decisions based on personal bias and inaccurate facts.)

A Clue For The Clueless::

JoJo - I think CA Bridges explained the process of how pay scale is determined for writers quite well a few comments back.

The term is called "Work for hire." and it is the same premise that a musician goes though when they write a song. The terms of the payment may vary depending on the contract that is signed. In the case of the writers in the WGA, what CA Bridges said explained it better than I can.

The details are in the residual or royalties as agreed on by both parties. As in any other contract at the expiration of the agreed contract it can as is usually renegotiated. You see this in a different form when you look at companies that raise the amounts that employees pay for healthcare over time. But that's a whole other story.

Works of Art such as painting won't really apply in the same sense as writing or composing songs/music is concerned. CA Please correct me if I'm wrong here.

A Clue For The Clueless:::

LOL, nevermind he already did that while I was writing my response. Thanks!

JoJo Dog:

C. A. Bridges:

Ok. Like you, I'm tired of hearing and seeing personal bias and inaccurate facts about the strike. (Actually I'm tired of seeing these things everywhere.) I have two main problems with the strike.

One, it appears that the writers want to retroactively change their contracts, instead of asking for a cut in future profits. Two, there's alot of talk about the WGA taking a cut in profits during the 1980s to help with VCR sells. I have several questions about this. Why didn't the union in the past 20 years try to clear this cut up sooner? When the DVD boom began, why didn't they try to make a better deal? And more importantly, why did the union leave a big door open with agreeing to a percentage of DVD sales, instead of digital sales? (Seriously, digital sales would cover everything from Laser Disks and DVDs to the internet to future computer/digital formats. Remember there was talk for 15 to 20 years--before home internet access--of computers being the next forum from movies. Also the DVD is only 10 years old, so how did the DVD residuals get added to the contracts without closing up these loop holes?)

And I have to point out again your statement about people get what they watch. As I've stated above, the problem is that people aren't watching. When the highest rated scripted shows aren't even getting 3% of the US population to watch them, the problem isn't with the public but with the shows (and usually the writing on the shows).

Not American:

Once again mouth breathing god fearing republican retards are shitting something up. Never knew people who read drudge report were complete idiots. Maybe they should close the site down so they can go keep some non-whites down.

Duane Steil:

Strikes and unions are nothing other than legal blackmail by insecure and/or incompetent people.

To Jimmy: I'll tell you why I started my blog. You know how hard it is to find media news on the internet in Chicago? The local message boards have news, but you have to wade through the numerous posts containing flame wars about which rock station sucks more. I did it to fill a void. I enjoy writing about television and radio in Chicago and other markets, which are not covered by the mainstream media. It's meant to compliment existing trade publications out there (like TV Week), but with a local bent.

I don't make a dime off of this. I do it out of a labor of love, and I have fun doing it. But when it becomes a chore, that's when the fun stops - and poof goes the blog. I'll do something else.

And what this about my attitude? Just pick up the Chicago Sun-Times and read Jay Mariotti's sports column. He writes nastier things than I do. He's a total ass, particularly the way he writes about White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen, and yes, I challenged him on it (yeah, I'm a White Sox fan, go ahead, take your shots... we come out of the stands and beat first-base coaches, blah, blah, blah... You have any Rex Grossman jokes I can use?)

If you say I'm waisting my time doing this, that's your opinion. But some people here in Chicago say otherwise. I don't apologize for my comments or my actions. I'm a native South Sider - we're supposed to be tough. With a state budget stalemate, people getting gunned down every day, and the city and county raising taxes next year, nobody here cares about a writer's strike. And that's fine by me. I write something that takes people minds off the crap that goes on in Chicago daily.

And oh by the way, Chicago Police and garbagemen have always been on strike, because they do nothing - as long as Mayor McCheese - I mean, Daley is in charge...

I'm With Freddy:

Nice one, Freddy. Pardon me for re-posting this, for the benefit of those who skipped down to here:

Let me get this straight. You make between 60,000.00 and millions a year for doing something that you love. I will admit that I am against unions in principal but I do understand when low wage workers go on strike on jobs they don't care for. You guys are just spoil brats who have adopted the socialist crap as your religion. Workers of the world unite, you have nothing to lose except your brains.
DM:

To "Not American" et. al.:

I find it remarkable that you seem to know the political leanings of people based not on what they claim (I see only one post here that even *MIGHT* hint at admitting to being right-wing, and that's Bob Dee's), but merely on what you perceive from your stereotypes.

Are you REALLY so insecure in your own beliefs that if anyone says something that disagrees with anything you might think - or have been told to think - that you not only have to immediately give them a label, be it "Republican" or "Conservative", and then apply a blindly false "bible-thumping, gun-toting, nigger-lynching, good 'ol boy" stereotype to them in order to make yourself feel good? You don't dare comment on the substance of any post here, you simply throw out pre-rehearsed ad hominem attacks to discredit them, thus freeing you from the burden of responding to their valid arguments and opinions.

Believe it or not, people can disagree with you, while being fully informed of the facts, and having actually logically thought out their arguments and reasons for them. If you honestly believe that everyone who has a different opinion than you is merely a drooling ignoramus, it only reflects on your mental state, not one your opponents.

I understand what the writers are fighting for. They feel they deserve more compensation when their work has continued to be distributed through home video sales and the internet market. I don't disagree with them. I just think they're going about it the wrong way. It's the WGA that's put them in the mess they're in now, and will continue to do so, until they break free and move to a system that truly does focus on performance rather than giving everyone the same rate on the misguided notion of "fairness". The lack of any true competition in the market for writers has given America a glut of television programs that cater solely to the lowest common denominator.

And before you insert your foot into your mouth again, take note of how many shows that don't bother to "dumb down" the entertainment to try to appeal to a mass market have done. The entire Discovery line of channels that has grown from a single station to a massive network is proof alone. Not to mention that some of the highest rated shows on television, CSI and 24 for example, are hardly written with trailer trash in mind.

So please, take your baseless accusations and illustrations of your personal ignorance elsewhere. If you want to respond to what people have actually SAID, their arguments and their points, using logic rather than personal attacks, I'm sure there are plenty of people who'd be happy to respond.

Greg:

No support for strikes should be given. Unions are an outdated entity that are nothing more than shakedowns and extortion for those unwilling to take responsibility and be accountable for negotiating their personal individual contracts for working with employers.

Many, many more millions of Americans go to work everyday, and are paid a solid wage negotiated at the interview/hiring process. That's what responsible people do.

Protections of a union are nothing more than relegating personal accountability.

Choice is an individual's most powerful source; choice of employment is just that - a choice.

If your employer isn't paying you what you want, then you seek other employment like responsible adults. You don't turn to your union, like a parental figure, hoping to save you from the big bad boss.

You always have a choice. Don't confuse a difficult choice with no choice at all.

Greg:

"But are you honestly in favor of companies, any companies, getting away with stiffing their employees?

Yes.

The employers reveal who they are and you make a choice not to work there. If enough people make that choice then the employer is forced to address the problem or go out of business.

You can't be "abused" if you're not a willing participant volunteering for the role.

mhersc:

Going a day or two or life without TV shows, it's writers and it's blogs is no bad thing.

Mike Osborne:

Let's show our solidarity with the bloggers and never read their blogs again!

doober:

Uh, let's see. According to yesterday's headlines in Entertainment (used lightly), practically every movie made is done in the 'red.' Okay, so the geniuses decide to strike. Classic. That shows some business savvy. Idiots should've striked when the industry was pumping the dollars in. And everyone's got a blog. Who wants to sift through all that junk anyway? Not me. Oh no, I'll be forced to watch golf on TV. Boo hoo. Snore.

doober:

Help wanted: Spanish to English translators needed for Screen Writers Guild. Anyone can apply, regardless of language skills.

DaMav:

With the kind of anti-American seditious bullcrap that Hollywood is putting out these days I'm hoping that somehow both sides will lose. Who cares about these pampered poodles of society who run down our country and our military? A pox on both of your houses.

tom richars:

news flash - parasites - sucking the rewards off other's successes. hey, this sounds like unions and communists.

ricardo maxwell:

Kudos to the posters that are prepared and eager to live without bloggers!!! Far too much energy and time is wasted on "entertainment" in this country. Music and fine arts are suffering while reality TV and crappy sitcoms abound.
Half of the current writers are producing crap that undermines family values and the American Way and 95% are injecting their liberal bias into programs and movies. Let them eat cake.
BTW, actors are overpaid, just like today's "professional" athletes. Take some money from them and give to the writers that produce QUALITY!

Julian Carswell:

I can hardly stop laughing. That anybody would be upset because the drivel factory threatens to shut down....ahhhh, that's funny.

If your life is emptier because of the "writer's strike" then there is the proof you have no life. Who needs that mediocrity?

Bubba:

We may be may be stupid, conservative, patriotic and love our country dumb. BUT, we have elected the President the past seven years and will elect another next year. We keep the economy moving, pay most of the taxes and work to keep our country free of terrorists. You liberals can have Al Gore, Tom Cruise, the Breck girl, Slick Willy, Hillary, Jesse, Al, Rosie and the Hollywood nuts. We will take Chaney, Fred, Ollie, Mit, Rudy, traditional family values, FOX News and our men and women of the military any day.

Chris:

There's a strike?

I guess I cant differentiate between original meaningless crap and regurgitated meaningless crap.

Louis Wu:

Bloggers on strike=tits on a bull.

hahahahahahaha!!!!

who cares?!

judge227:

I hope that every scripted show is replaced by reality tv or a gameshow for a few weeks. Let the networks get try out every dumb idea they have had (The Hills/Road Rules/The Mole compete to be the Next Iron Chef). Maybe we will finally get the decade of reality television out of our system.

jim:

Right..Who cares..Homo wood is over rated and over paid.its about time they saw how America lives.I am glad their fantasy has ended.

br549:

If anything comes of this, I would personally like it to be better quality scripts. That would be most helpful in creating better quality shows. I am sure they can be written, but aren't, perhaps, allowed.

As an individual, I watch the Science, History, TLC, some national Geographic Shows (until the social commentary gets tossed in, then I switch channels), and search for programming similar to that. I have not been to a movie theater in years, and have none of the movie channels in my cable package. Special effects does not equal acting or good script.

I liked Seinfeld, but got tired of it, too. He knew it was inevitable, and quit at the top.

Many complain of TV being a vast wasteland. Surely, it doesn't have to be. And of course, if unhappy with a particular show, watch something else, or turn the TV off.

marine43:

I can only hope this would bring an end to hollywood! Oh the glory! there is enough old shows movies etc... to last this american to be happy the rest of his days!Screw hollywood, they are going to find out just how important they are. I'd say somewhere along the same lines as congress!

Dr. Jimmy:

No blogs.....that is so sad. Um, what's a blog?

jim:

Dr. Jimmy, A blog is a drink...I think?

Mark:

Bloggers? lol...right. Perhaps everyone could use this opportunity to pick up a book instead of the remote.

Ky Rux:

Entertainment blogs? What are they?

Ky Rux:

Rats. Dr. Jimmy beat me to the punch.

C. A. Bridges:

"One, it appears that the writers want to retroactively change their contracts, instead of asking for a cut in future profits."

Actually right now they're without a contract, it ran out Oct. 31. What they're doing is trying to renegotiate their contract.

"Why didn't the union in the past 20 years try to clear this cut up sooner? When the DVD boom began, why didn't they try to make a better deal? And more importantly, why did the union leave a big door open with agreeing to a percentage of DVD sales, instead of digital sales? (Seriously, digital sales would cover everything from Laser Disks and DVDs to the internet to future computer/digital formats. Remember there was talk for 15 to 20 years--before home internet access--of computers being the next forum from movies. Also the DVD is only 10 years old, so how did the DVD residuals get added to the contracts without closing up these loop holes?)"

Because the writers guild was a) naive enough to think the studios would make good on their assurances to bring the percentage up, and b) stupid enough to cave early. Think of them like the Democratic Party: lots of good ideas, lots of bad ideas, and no real consensus or unified front.
DVDs were assumed to be just snazzier videos, so no changes there. And while the internet was hinted at 22 years ago, the studios were not going to assign a business model to something that didn't exist yet. They don't want to assign one now, even when they're making money at it.

Re: unions. Generally, I'm of the opinion that moast unions quickly become as bad as the companies they started off opposing. Just as bloated, just as crippling to the smooth operation of the industry, just as power hungry. And the WGA has certainly had is share of idiotic moves.
But every union started because employees were treated badly enough to warrant change that couldn't be accomplished one worker at a time. Sometimes a company will bulldoze right over their employees for no good reason other than they can get away with it.

Ky Rux:

Excuse me non-American, what in the world does your comment have to do with a bloggers' strike?

Les Moonves:

In support of the writers strike, I will not be writing any checks this month... Les Moonves.

Jaded:

Even better than bloggers is CBS news writer's voting today to strike with their writing brethern..........Happy days are truly here again.

I would be another person who says so what...keep striking.

Brett Blatchley:

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Once again mouth breathing god fearing republican retards are shitting something up. Never knew people who read drudge report were complete idiots. Maybe they should close the site down so they can go keep some non-whites down.

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So who's the bigoted racist?


Liberalism is a mental illness, no question about it, and it is they who own this industry.

jerry:

I don't see what the writers have their panties in a bunch about. There is no money in DVDs (check your nearest Walmart bin) and there's no money in "New Media." (most of the best internet shows are sadly without sponsors). Writers, you're barking up the wrong tree.

C. A. Bridges:

Estimated sales from DVDs this year: $16.4 billion, according to Adams Media Research. And every single studio head has bragged to his stockholders how many millions they'll get from new media and how many billions are to come.

Jimmy:

"I'll tell you why I started my blog."

Don't bother...I really couldn't care less why you started it.


"I did it to fill a void."

Well, I'm sorry that it didn't work. You have my sincere condolences. Maybe you can become a writer in Hollyweird.


"I don't make a dime off of this. I do it out of a labor of love, and I have fun doing it."

Good for you. Now stop sniveling about it. Please. And dump that "I'm so goddamn important" attitude, because it's laughable at best, pathetic at worst.

People are rejecting Hollywood because:

1) They just don't care. Entertainment is not essential to life and many people are struggling to get by. To a lot of people, $40K is a huge salary, especially considering it's indoor work with no heavy lifting.

2) The stuff churned out by "writers" SUCKS! Look at all the crappy sitcoms and shows about rich people. Who gives a f*ck? NO ONE, that's who.

3) There are better alternative sources of the 'Holy God of Entertainment' you and so many other people are so obsessed with.

4) People think it's unfair. Hey, the plumber fixed my sink- should I pay him a residual every time I run some water? Should I pay the door manufacturer every time I go in and out of my home, using the door he built? Why the hell should songs, movies, etc be ANY different? Why should Dianna Ross continue to get paid for stuff she did 40 years ago??

Jimmy:

Let's show our solidarity with the bloggers and never read their blogs again!

Quoted for truth, brother!

Jules:

Sara

YOU ARE MY NEW HERO! WELL DONE.

Walt:

Fire the writers,ignore the bloggers(except for me because im always right)and return the illegal aliens to their homeland.
Thank God every day for President Bush,shake hands with a military man or woman.
Ask any muslium what they are personaly doing to help stop muslium violence, and after you get that blank stare for 30 seconds remember thier face for you might have to identify them sometime.
Put your money in the stock market for the long term,stop borrowing money stupid!
Turn the TV off for 30 days, do something with your own family instead(you may log on tho to check the stock market).
Stop the porn thing, you really look silly doing that.
Thank God each and every day you get to spend in this wonderfull world,and remember the aborted baby who never had this chance.

Gary Burnett:

ATTENTION ALL BLOGGERS!

TO GO ON STRIKE ALL DUES MUST BE PAID IN FULL. PLEASE CONTACT YOUR LOCAL FOR FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS. PLease send dues to P.O. BOX...

GOTCHA

Richard Cranium:

Sweet maybe I'll be a scab and start my own blog of worthless opinions XD

I will take over the interwebs and spread my misguided messages MU HU HA HA.

-Dick

Yuki:

Gee, do you think, possibly, these bloggers are going on strike because with the real writers on strike the play writers have nothing to write about.

Al Gore the Liar:

Anonymous bloggers are losers

Yawn:

Two words: Thank God!! Oh, and sara, I think I love you.

Banana Sasquatch Pete:

You'll all rue the day (later today) I stopped blogging. Try living without Samantha who? or Bananasasquatchpete.com. Blogger out...

Look who' clueless:

Hey, Clue for Clueless...

"As someone who blogs and writes original stories on my blog" blah blah blah

I notice you didn't post s link to your wonderful "blog".

jeff:

Aren't the blogs supposed to be outside traditional media? The writers should be leaving their jobs and jumping on the blog bandwagon. .
I'm glad the writers are on strike. I hope they stay on strike. There's too much crappy content out there anyway.

Arcadia:

Oh grow up people.

It's not about denying the world their blogs for a day. They're not literally "on strike" in the same way the WGA is on strike.

It's about replacing their lead story with a statement supporting the writers. It's about what they're adding to their site, not what they're taking away.

Arturo:

"But every union started because employees were treated badly enough to warrant change that couldn't be accomplished one worker at a time"

Being screwed over by ownership(often pension funds) has little to do with the formation of worker collectives. Unions are about gaining unearned advantage for members in industries with monopoly/oligopoly pricing power and in government employment. Workers won't continue to pay dues to a union to merely secure what the marketplace would compensate them for their work.

Maggie:

Thank you, Arcadia. At least someone here is showing signs of intelligence.

F the Writers:

You write a script, I pay you for it. Its my script now so f*ck off. No new revenue streams for you. Tell ya what... You want in on the new streams? You put up half of the risk and you can get half of the reward. When can you get us the $20 million?

Truthteller:

As soon as the bloggers figure out they are
irrelevant, they will get off they self importance
pedestals and resume their meaningless rambling.
zthere are million of great bloggers A feel less
won't bother me a bit. Stay on your pretend strike forever.

mazigazi:

the right wing remarks here are so hilariously crass. those kind of politics have nothing to do with the strike. if you don't like tv shows, don't watch them and don't support their sponsors. really. I bet most of the right wing haters watch a ton of television!

as for bloggers having a lot of free time: maybe they have different priorities than you? maybe they prefer writing about things than just going to the mall or laying around playing video games? imagine!

as far as the strike goes, whatever... it's too bad they're getting screwed as the corporations rake in tons off DVD sales/rentals. 100% of MY television viewing for the past 3-4 years has been via DVDs; I no longer have cable and personally loathe it. If good tv shows bubble up to DVD and get my attention, I will watch them. So I understand their situation and support it. But, really, I also hate the majority of crap on our 600 channels now... so maybe we need a little less of that?

Meanwhile, I still have a 100 years of cinema to catch up on, and 50 years of TV coming out on DVD to watch... this strike could last YEARS and it wouldn't hurt my entertainment.

isy m.:

wouldn't it be great if they all went on strike...permanently? i couldn't be any happier.
when do the nightly network news writers follow suit?


Emery:

Ha! Ha! What a joke. Nobody cares about the poor Hollywood writers or bloggers. America would be better off without this immoral bunch of crap!

I say wake up America and boycott Hollywood!

D Man:

OH NO!!!! NOT THE BLOGGERS TOO!!!! WHAT THE HELL WILL WE DO??? Get over yourself bloggers. Put your pants back on, move out of your parents basement, and get a real job. What pathetic lives you people live. Go outside for once, and get some fresh air. A little less computer, jolt cola, and television will do you some good.

Pat Robertson, American terrorist leader:

The "internet" is a liberal idea created by liberal people. Anyone using this progressive medium that is conservative is defying their principles. Hypocrisy is what has defined the neo conservative movement. Blogging is a form of free speech that would not be afforded to a nation that is not a free democracy.
Conservative hate their fellow countrymen more than they hate our common enemies. These unions, these PEOPLE are Americans! why not support Americans and american solidarity? Nazis hated trade unions more than the jews......

We're not a TV blog, but JVoices is also shutting down in solidarity with the writers guild strike!

Faster Than Light:

"mazigazi: the right wing remarks here are so hilariously crass. those kind of politics have nothing to do with the strike. if you don't like tv shows, don't watch them and don't support their sponsors. really. I bet most of the right wing haters watch a ton of television!"

Mazigazi, you are both wrong and right with your statement. The folks coming in from Drudge (I am one) recognize the strike is not aimed at politics. That being said, the strike is a Hollywood (and the entertainment industry) centered event. The writers (rightly or wrongly) are perceived to be a major player in the "products" the mainstream media present to our society.

Many folks who frequent Drudge are appalled and disgusted by the apparent dislike of our country and its culture exhibited in a large percentage of the media products we see. The current crop of anti-US/military Iraq movies (the ones doing so poorly at the box office) are a classic example of this. There seems to be no balance whatsoever in the output coming out of the mainstream media....merely an overwhelming and arrogant agenda. At a visceral level, many of us are sincerely frightened by this trend from Hollywood because those products are exported globally and distort our image both domestically and overseas.

The writers (again rightly or wrongly) are tarred by that brush. While the strike is about money...it's the content that matters. You add to that an anti-union bias and you get the attitudes (and distinct lack of sympathy) exhibited here. We'll be gone soon enough but you should ask yourself if "Lions For Lambs" is entertainment....or something else.


Bob:

Bloggers going on strike? On strike from what?

I mean, really. As if anyone cares what they have to say in the first place. Self-important bastards. Nobody reads your crap anyway....just like no one is reading this.

Blogs, what a waste of time and bandwidth.

ldd:

ROFL What a thread. LOL

Good comic relief, ops, is that not crossing the 'picket' line?

Blogger strike? ROFLMAO!!

So bloggers who SUPPORT hollyweird's writers, are also going on strike?

Yea so, who cares? No one with logical functioning brains will read these "Oh how I LOVE the STARS of hollyweird" type blogs anyways.

Besides newscasts are fiction based entertainment shows, shouldn't be much of a hardship for those writers willing to work at lets say a different desk down the hall?

Anyways, Hamas is building a MEDIA city, with fake glitter, blood, gore, drama, family killing family and (da Joooooooooos) so lots of job openings for the really dedicated ones. Should make 'em feel right at home and it's hoping for a large donation from American's left to support them.


Pat Robertson, American terrorist leader:

you idiots.....

The entertainment industry is the only thing America has left to offer the world....besides war and misery of being "liberated"....

Conservatives have destroyed this country and there is no turning back.....the dollar will continue to decline and one day you retards will wake up and try to figure out why you are living in a third world nation....you deserve it though....

Rightwing people hate, hate, hate.....that is all I ever see from them....

Ken:

I've read the comments by both sides in this debate and sadly only one shows any sign of rational intelligence, the rest appear to have come from kids who flunked 10th grade english and/or take their politics way too seriously.
Thankyou C.A. Bridges for keeping it civil and on topic.
As for the strike, I suppose I understand the reasoning behind it but in all honesty I am not at this point terribly upset. A great deal of what is on the air right now is either very bad or has run it's course and needs to come to an end. I survived the last strike and thanks to Netflix and a extensive collection of old B&W flicks I'll survive this one.
With regards to the blogger strike, their joking right?

susie:

Good! When all of the Hollywood writers and all affliated "go dark", the world will be a better, and brighter, place. Hollywood writers "not writing" is the best news of the year. I do feel badly for the related services that make their living around Hollywood. My hope is that during the strike, they come to find "life without Hollywood."

Ahhhh, American life without trashy sitcoms and soaps. It's wonderful to know the trash has been "halted indefinately."

emjem24:

Bloggers going on strike? How will we survive without their daily "relevance" in our lives? I know...let's beat ourselves in anguish as a show of solidarity!

On a more serious note...do fans/bloggers have nothing more important going on in their lives than their unoriginal/vacuous shows? Who cares? How much do these writers actually make? Do they deserve a cut on internet/side deals? Should we feel sorry for these folks or are they just being greedy?

I think these writers add to the current fluffy nonsense now inhabiting our television screens. I mean how many people actually watch "Lost," "Desperate Housewives," or "Battlestar Gallactica?" Television has really gone south and is nothing like it used to be in the 80's. There's no decent family t.v. anymore.

I have a suggestion: perhaps America should let this be a period where they have family dinners, read to their kids, or even explore other avenues such as different cable channels, watching a good old movie, or perhaps just reading a book. Network television has lost its relevance and there are only a sector of fans who actually care about this. As for the rest of us, we'll all just go about the business of living as always.

scott:

The first comment by Mike says it ALL in a nutshell: How are we going to survive without bloggers. Oh no, (in the words of Homer Simpson, yes I am being sarcastic)

Ron:

BobDee and all like you... You wonder how you are going to make the mortgage payment?

Let me help...go to work. You had a job, you paid the mortgage, you walked off the job because someone who makes a LOT more than you do TOLD you to. (Of course your dues is what MAKES that union boss rich.) So now you wonder where the mortgage payment will come from.

Another thing that stands out in so many of these comments is the unbelievable hatred that emanates from those who accuse Conservatives and Republicans of hate. I don't hate anyone. I just have a very low tolerance for people who walk off a job, then complain about not having income.

Fact: You will NEVER make back what you will lose while on strike; even if you get everything you demand.

Billy Woody:

I am amazed at how much people think they actually matter in the grand scheme of things.

Bloggers on strike?? On Strike from what, do you even get paid?

Please, get your ass out on the picket line, it may do you some good.

RJ :

Has nobody here ever heard of at-will employment? Are we to believe these writers are forced to endure such terrible conditions?

Sorry, but I don't buy it. Even if this is pricey CA, I would gladly quit my $58K/year job if I could get $44K/year doing what I love. For me, that would be making music. But stupid me, I decided to get a career making decent money so that I wouldn't starve playing my horn. And oddly enough -- I'm still able to play my horn, AND GET PAID FOR IT, while still making a decent living.

The point being, if you are working for someone you feel is treating you unfairly, GET OUT. Let's face it -- if you were producing million dollar product, some producer would gladly pay you for it. Look at the seven figure contracts being given out to screen writers for today's top films. Is that the norm? No.

but I don't see novelists standing at the picket line demanding Del Ray increase their royalty rates. If the writer is popular enough, he or she can practically set their own terms. If not, then maybe they should just be grateful they have an outlet and an audience. Most aspiring novelists have other jobs, or at least proved their worth through the popularity of their product.

If the writers in Hollywood are really so good that they warrant $60K/year or more, then demand that pay or quit. Picketing and striking en masse only helps to ensure that the crappy writers out there all have a secure job where they probably don't deserve one, and thus helps dilute the potential for the quality writers among them to make more.

With my credentials and education in my chosen career field, I could be making on average about $85K anywhere else instead of the $58K I make now. If it's that important to me, I'll demand a raise or quit and go to a higher paying job. If it's not (right now it's not) because maybe the benefits, experience, or quality of the workplace is so good, maybe I stay where I'm at.

We're all free, independent creatures. Making tough decisions is a fact of life. These people picketing have indicated they don't want to make those tough choices. They want the handout. If there were no union, they could negotiate their own contracts. Most would be intimidated by that and probably claim it's too complicated. Well, maybe so, but that's your choice. If you don't want to put in the effort to ensure you get a good deal UP FRONT, then what complaint do you have?

Seriously, these people are doing something they love for a pretty decent wage. I could handle that.

$44,350 average (median) for ALL writers and authors in 2004 is what the departmetn of labor statistics show us. Unfortunately, it does not give any better detail regarding literary authors and novelists, screenwriters, or freelance writers. I'd be curious to see how much that number is weighted up or down by the breakdowns in those sub-groups. But adjusted for inflation, we're talking almost $50K/year here.

They they make close to what I make, doing something they love, and almost certainly put in fewer hours than I do (I carry a pager, trust me on this), and it's not good enough.

Forgive me if I don't send in a sympathy card. My last job sucked, too. I quit, and now I'm better off.

West of Boulevard:

There is a great number of "locals" proud of their ability to detect Drudge readers. What tickles me is that I can, too. The Drudge readers are the ones able to intellectually discuss how the market system works and draw comparisons to the US Auto industry etc. The locals have user ids that reference poop, vaginas, or their political stance using vulgar references to the sitting President.

Yeah, it's pretty obvious.

Writers for Arrested Development should be able to demand any amount of money. If you are reading these comments, go ahead and leave your lesser brethren and send some more genius my way. And yeah, demand an absurd amount of cabbage. You deserve it.

Don Hamilton:

Pat, take a pill man. Your getting spittle on my monitor

T. Hughes:

I hope all these writers lose everything. Good riddance. Hopefully the strike lasts for 20 years.

Rick:

Nobody cares about your blogs except other left wing faggots who think they matter too.

As far as that goes, most of us don't care about TV either. Who needs TV when we have the net? You writers, producers and performers are all obsolete.

Bosephus:

Rosie O'Donnell: I love eating hair pie and I smell like an old man's balls.

Posted by Rosie O'Donnell | November 12, 2007 9:24 PM

Well, there goes my balls. Have to saw them off if this be a fact.

Mike C:

Dear Flamers:

Please go away. I want to hear comments and discussion, not diatribes. Why are you reading a blog if you think they all suck? I am trying not to be too rude, but just look at the URL. Besides that, no one is criticizing or bashing your hobbies, or the way you support your family. And while I don't live in CA, I would think that 60K a year in Hollywood doesn't really go that far.

As for unions - Enron wouldn't have totally fucked over thousands of employees and robbed them of their savings and retirement if they had union oversight. Not having a union is like having the biggest, greediest people in charge make all the decisions "for the benefit of everyone." Money and greed win out every time. I am not saying unions are the answer, but the Enron collapse could have been avoided.

(And yes, I have a blog. No, I won't tell you the address. Because it's MY blog. I'm OK with you not reading it. And I really don't feel like deleting hateful, rabid comments.)


What!?!?!:

You are right Pat Robertson, American terrorist leader. And your message is filled with the love of all liberals.. Thank you for demonstrating why libs should never be in a position of leadership.

Shame on you, WGA. Shame on you.:

These writers are some of the most selfish people in the history of western civilization. It's "me, me, me, me" with them. How could people be so shameless and greedy? I think we ought to start seizing their assets and giving them to people who really need a damn raise, not overpaid megolomaniacs writing in an air-conditioned office.

CapVideo:

Thank you bloggers for going on strike and freeing up precious bandwidth for more useful pursuits like surfing for porn (which is FAR more enjoyable than reading any of the egotistical blogs.)

Also heard that CBS News writers are going on strike. THAT IS GREAT NEWS!!!! NO MORE KATIE COURIC!!!! There is a God.

James:

Nice. More Americans need to stand up for their fellow Americans and band together to protect OUR rights as workers. Corporations certainly don't, and won't- that's certain.

In the early 70s, close to 70% of us working Americans belonged to a union. The middle class was peaking at that time, the American dream was all but inevitable.

Now, it's slightly more than 10%. Now, Corporations post record quarter after record quarter, the DOW hits unprecedented highs, yet the average worker (95% of us) lives paycheck to paycheck, hoping they or their kids don't get sick or seriously injured, and can't save anything for the future.

This is no coincidence, nor is it happenstance.

Support your fellow Americans, your fellow workers- support Unions.

You know, Jimmy... Go f*** yourself. You don't live in Chicago, and I hope you stay the hell out of here.

Pat Robertson, American terrorist leader:

Here is the reality:

America was not founded with the "go it alone" principle. "United" was the edict that would mend the wounds of the past and promote a strong democracy for the future. The whigs (which are now the modern Republican party) always believed in an autocratic rule and banding together against the king was treasonous. If we had these cowards that are running the whitehouse and the semi-retarded sheep that voted for them in charge during the war of indepence, we would have never went to war for our freedom.

I secretly do not promote consevatives in my company. I let them work hard to prove themselves only to be held in the same position year after year. That is the only way to start to change the system. Play the game, then fuck it up from the inside........

Yuki:

I have a television but am not sure if it works. I haven't turned it on in 2 years. Even if I did watch the damn thing I still wouldn't read blogs on TV shows. Until I read this article I didn't know there were people who cared one way or another about TV shows. What can you say about a TV show? Either it doesn't stink too much or it is a real stinker. So much for a blog.

Pat Robertson, American terrorist leader:

RJ,

Following your "genius" logic to a foregone conclusion......
You will be out of work in 2 years or less. You lack the kind of formal education that the generation right behind you possesses, and they will work cheaper.

Mark my words.....this little "blog" will be rattling around in your head when you get the news....there will be no time to blow your skin flute when you're working two minimum wage jobs to stay off the street...

Emery:

The comments left here by many show just how far out touch with America Hollywood really is. I started a boycott of Hollywood, films and TV and music about 6 years ago. I don't need your garbage. I don't idolize your shallow personality cult. You don't get my money or attention. I certainly don't read your silly self serving blogs.

I love God and freedom and America. You have managed to turn traditional American values into some lesser form of evolution that you think you are sooooo.... superior too. You don't represent America. You export the lowest common denominator of our society to the world. So continue to wage your cultural war on America. We reject your nonsense. I hope you all go broke and go out of business.

Ya 'all better watch or they will give your job to some illegal Mexicans or outsource them to India!!! Ha! Hollywood sucks!

Rockin' Republican Beotch:

So Pat... first off, we didn't have republicans and democrats during the revolutionary war. We had the Federalists and the Anti-federalists, a.k.a the Democrat-Republicans. Basically, the federalists were the democrats, who believed that we shouldn't of had A Bill of Rights, and the Democrat Republicans were the republicans, who believed in the Bill of Rights and also were the ones who encouraged us to fight for our independence. The federalists just sat their on their fat asses complaining that we would never win and that we should give up while we still had a chance. Just a quick history lesson from one of the "semi-retarded sheep"

Norman :

Foolish bloggers, they could have gained valuable new readers. Instead they will voluntarily censor themselves (to help their ink-riddled competition). Bloggers should not ever walk down the path of censorship (even for a cause). After all, censorship is becoming America's favorite past-time. The US gov't (and their corporate friends), already detain protesters, ban books like "America Deceived" from Amazon and Wikipedia, shut down Imus and fire 21-year tenured, BYU physics professor Steven Jones because he proved explosives, thermite in particular, took down the WTC buildings. Free Speech forever (let the writers fight for themselves).
Last link (before Google Books caves to pressure and drops the title):
America Deceived (book)

M algore:

What, those pesky drudger dont tow the party line. They dont believe in union, socialism or any other liberal crap.

Hey, writers, if you want more money, go get another job. That's called freedom. It should work for you and the owners. Not just your way and no one else's.

I do appreciate the chance for my son to sell his script. He wants to do his dream job and be a writer. He was tickled to find that writers make money for this stuff. Union, keep up the fine job!!!!!

well, I guess I will have to take up the slack!

http://ndchoocho0.blogspot.com/

Swim with the Cunts:

A lot of strike haters posting here claim they never watch television because it's so bad. My question is: then how did you all get so fucking dumb? Because your crackpot opinions are not the kind that come from people who read books.

Also, fuck Bush.

Just when my hit numbers are receding. A chance for a comeback! Less time at the tube, more at the Sony
VAIO---the tradeoff is worth it.

Pat Robertson, American terrorist leader:

I like little boys. Does anyone know of a little boy I can love on?

Pat Robertson, American terrorist leader:

geez talk about revisionist history.....republicans really are mostly semi-retarded.....

The Federalists WERE the Whigs WERE the Dixiecrats ARE the modern Republican party...

The Geographic location (south) and Conservative philosophy have remained a constant...names change.....Loyalist to an aristocracy....loyal to big money.....

.....And The founding fathers were mostly Deists/atheists....they despised Christianity and the church of England.....that's the next lie (revision) they live by....

Don:

As I Read this string of "comments" it strikes me how selfish, intolerant and micro thinking many of the people that comment in this manner come across.

Conservative or liberal we must cooperate and callaborate to improve our lives. Name calling, comments of intolerance and the inability to view the world as someone else does are bad character traits. Before you criticize others make sure your own house is in order!

emjem24:

Mike C:

You criticize those on this forum discussing the futility of "striking" bloggers. Blogs simply exist to reach out to other like-minded people or those with a similar interest. Would you agree with this?

I think you misunderstand who is flaming and who isn't. Your comment on Enron doesn't make much sense. How would a union have any oversight over a company pension fund? Usually a person or committee is appointed as the fund manager. My father was part of a union before he retired and I don't recall them being responsible for his pension.

Most of the time, there's an outside company responsible for pensions/401K. Not unions. From my experience with what my father went through (he was a steamfitter/plumber for over 30 years), unions are basically worthless. When my father had an accident on the job, his union never stood up for him and basically sold him down the river during his workman's comp claims between him and his employer.

Unions can't protect workers from everything. Some exist sheerly out of individual self-interest of those who are union bosses or big wigs not the employees. Unions have morphed into representative/political entities that now demand so much, that many companies not only lose their profits but their shirts. This is why companies like Ford are struggling.

Yes, companies are greedy unless you have oversight but I don't think unions should serve as overseer. Many Enron employees were content to let the company manage the 401K plan instead of regularly assessing it. None of them asked questions and that was to their detriment. The most prudent call would have been for Enron to appoint a separate entity to manage the 401K plan (most opt to do this) It is also not prudent to have all your income in one company fund.

The WGA is a very poorly managed union. It is not serving its members very well. Joining a union automatically gives you a weaker bargaining position because once you've negotiated for a contract...it's too late to turn back. It's a your way or the high way scenario. Yes, their contract was up in October...now they're suddenly asking for a slice of Internet/DVD sales and they want in on the action too late.

Yes, the big production companies that push the crap we see on television should take a pay cut. However, the writers aren't blameless in this either. They write the pilots for a lot of this drivel that eventually get turned into picked up sitcoms/shows (which promptly get canceled). I find it interesting that many of these writers are getting paid at least 40k for a product that few people like or watch. Doesn't that strike you as odd?

What's at the core of sentiment of those who you see as "flamers" is an abhorrence for the current trash media culture that exists today. It affects the way kids behave and cheapens even deadens our culture. Yes, parents let their kids watch some of this crap too. Most people just feel that Hollywood and its writers create crap and then lecture the American public about it and other stuff. Yet they create it. It's ridiculous.

jD:

Hahaha, hey Pat Robertson, you dolt. Do your research a little more before you spout off and sound like a moron. The Whig party was built from the "American Whigs of 1776" who fought for American independence. Haha!! nice try.

jD:

Hahaha, hey Pat Robertson, you dolt. Do your research a little more before you spout off and sound like a moron. The Whig party was built from the "American Whigs of 1776" who fought for American independence. Haha!! nice try.

jD:

...and the Federalist party wasn't even devised until 1792, so of course the members, namely the founder and right-hand man to General George Washington, Alexander Hamilton, fought against the British in 1776. sure the party wanted a well educated group of people to rule, but isn't that what libs want? philosopher kings?

also, you can't on one hand say that Republicans would not have fought the British, and then call them war mongerers. it just doesn't work.

gary:

chucksweirdworld.com even went dark today, who would of guessed those nuts would be on the team...

ROSOOS:

Oh No,
what shall I do?

There are only three networks where I get all my entertainment.

Please, Please, Please network writers from ABC, NBC & CBS, I have nothing else to watch while you are on strike.

Also, since the web has only a couple of blog sites, where else will I go if they are on strike?

Help us writers, you're our only hope for entertainment!

DM:

To all of you who are touting the virtues of unions and the evils of corporations, I ask you one very simple question:

What makes you think that unions are automatically free of whatever corruption you think you see in every corporation?

Striker:

WGA is going to announce that Friday is FAN DAY for all shows - the expectation for the BSG fan turn-out has been exaggerated.

Fast Eddie:

Ummmm...

I'd just like to say, "Ho humm", strike away.

I doubt I'll ever be back to this site anyway.

Run it into the Ground.:

Pat Robertson Said:

I secretly do not promote consevatives in my company. I let them work hard to prove themselves only to be held in the same position year after year. That is the only way to start to change the system. Play the game, then fuck it up from the inside........

what the hell is this supposed to mean? you let the lesser workers run your company and run your best workers out of your company? Nice business practice...you should go far.

Art:

There are many writers and bloggers who need to take a bullet for the cause---Literally. Please!
Go ahead!
Thanks ahead of time for doing this!

Ballsac Teebagher:

Hey Pat,
You're obviously a very well learned historian. Mind telling us a few of the more prominent members of the Whigs? Not the Whig party, the American Whigs (aka Patriots).

I have a few in mind... lets see if you can guess which ones.

Pat Robertson, American terrorist leader:

...there is little to no difference between employees in a technical environment....the conservatives tend to be steady and reliable, but are not great problem solvers usually anyhow...so it is not difficult to justify it....

Mike C:

emjem24:

"Blogs simply exist to reach out to other like-minded people or those with a similar interest. Would you agree with this?"

Yes, I would. But, according to that logic, are you not saying that the people I referred to as flamers have no business posting here, since they clearly are not like-minded as to the spirit of this blog, much less its interests?

I thought about it as soon as I posted it. and you are right - unions probably would not have saved Enron. However, the point I failed to make the first time, is that something - I said union, and you said outside auditing agency - should monitor the pensions, to protect them from the corporation, and those who run it.

I agree, that writers have a part in creating the pop-trash culture... but what I don't see, is any writers criticizing America for it. I am American, but don't reside in the US, and haven't for several years, so I don't have "mainstream" television, but I don't understand that part of your argument.

"I find it interesting that many of these writers are getting paid at least 40k for a product that few people like or watch. Doesn't that strike you as odd?"

No, it doesn't. Look at how much advertisers are willing to pay for prime-time market visibility. As far as I know (and granted I can only say this statement because I haven't seen otherwise) no production companies or even the big names are even remotely close to going belly-up. They are making monster profits. Also, that "few people like or watch..." - millions of people, even if it's 3% of the population, is still a lot of people that advertisers can push their products and brands onto. I actually am surprised that they are not paid more - if I had the ability to write stories, I would get as much as I could!

While they (the writers) *do* create junk, let's not forget that the production companies and executives are responsible for what ultimately airs. I know that there are many, many more scripts and ideas out there that get shot down, not by writers, but by the media conglomerates. One might even argue that writers who produce "junk" are only filling a void that someone else will fill, if they don't - the studios get the kinds of scripts that they ask for.

THANK YOU for intelligent discourse, even if we don't agree. What I referred to as flamers are those who say they hate TV (yet they comment on a television blog) and say that they are all worthless and this is all the fault of liberals. (It's not.)

Run it into the Ground:

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

...there is little to no difference between employees in a technical environment....the conservatives tend to be steady and reliable, but are not great problem solvers usually anyhow...

So which is it? There is no difference? Or someone is less creative as a problem solver because of their political belief? Give me a break. You don't hold any type of management position. I'm convinced.

Sam:

This cuntry has gone down the sh*ter because all the liberals crying about everything its become a cry baby country mo money mo this..

mike:

Surely the writers are paid when they do their work? Why do they want money for the re-runs? We don't give the landscaper or the painter a share of the profits when we sell our houses.
Let each writer negotiate his own deal, if he can get residuals good for him/her.
The better writers will flourish and those that write the crap will sink.
The majority of people couldn't care less about the strike, it won't affect them at all, the viewers will just find other things to do. In the end the only people suffering will be the writers, I'm sure the actors will cross the picket lines.

Pat Robertson, American terrorist leader:

again...their propensity for historic revision...the conservatives took up the moniker "whig Party" (which included some historic patriots) just as they rebranded french fries "Freedom Fries".....

Why aren't all you conservatives off fighting for your president anyhow?

Booga Booga:

No sympathy here (from someone who wears body armor to work).

Goodbye Natalie:

Bob Dee,

I'm sure you are a nice guy and I'm sure there are a few decent people in the jet set crowd of Hollywood. But let's face it. Hollywood has been hostile so long to the conservative bent, from traditional families to WASPs, to Jesusland - or whatever name they've currently chosen, 75% of us have little or no sympathy.

That part of the country is so out of touch with reality, they've had it coming. There are always innocent victims but as far as I'm concerned, both parties can damage the other.

Maybe many of you guys and gals who don't fit the above description should start your own guild - and write something that is both entertaining and friendly to the more conservative "Red states."

You might find we've got a lot more disposable income than those lib types with their gutter agenda have led you to believe.

igmar:

Why should I care about overpaid lefties who write @$&(!
Kill your Television!

igmar:

Why should I care about overpaid lefties who write @$&(!
Kill your Television!

Pat Robertson, American terrorist leader:

Conservative "Red States" are the poorest.....as they were in The Soviet Union.....no difference...

jD:

Liberal revisiontists like to claim they fought against slavery...yeah, that was the first Republican president Abraham Lincoln.

Zachary Taylor and Winfield Scott were Whigs who helped create the party both of whom were American Generals who fought for their country.

Wrong again Pat Robertson. oooooh so sorry.

jD:

haha, nice red state comment. the soviet union?!!! seriously?!!! a real peach!

the only people in the blue states with money are congressmen and Republican business owners. the rest are a bunch of lazy, welfare grabbing, libs. you know i'm right...ooooooooh so sorry again!!! Bwahahaha!!!!

TotalBS:

Just hire illegal immigrants.
At least I could brush up on my spanish reading the useless blogs.

jD:

Nice Ned's Atomic Dustbin reference igmar. Take it old school.

MIke C:

Mike:

Do you believe that is is alright to download music off of limewire without paying the artists the royalties that they make off of an album sale? Why should an artist get paid one time, only to have the record sell millions of records, an all of the profits sucked up by the production company?

I don't see a difference in this, and wanting what the writers are asking for.

jD:

That is bad Mike C. Pirating music is wrong. The music artist should profit whatever percent his contract says he receives off each album sale.

But television shows and movies are broadcast and shown en masse and everyone is paid accordingly. It's not like they are selling individual shows to each home and consumer. Then the shows are the property of the distributor, so they can do with them as they please.

The writers should have struck a deal for DVDs and webcasts a looooong time ago. It's not like it is that new of a technology. They haven't made a deal after Beta, HVS, Laser Discs, DVDs...and the Internet, and now they want to bitch and moan...it's their own fault.

MIke C:

"The music artist should profit whatever percent his contract says he receives off each album sale."

That's all the writers want, too, along with the percentage that they were originally promised. If a show does really well, and goes into reruns and nick at nite or whatever, shouldn't they be rewarded for creating a popular product? Why should the studios get to keep all the profits? That's what I don't get. Musicians get royalties in perpetuity (I think) so why no other creative artists?

Radio is also broadcast en masse, and they also pay royalties.

Pat's Daddy:

Pat,
you said, “Conservative ‘Red States’ are the poorest”? The states may be the poorest but the conservative voter has more income;


under 50K over 75k
Kerry 56% 41%
Bush 42% 58 %


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_state_vs._blue_state_divide

jD:

But Mike, the writers are already getting a royalty from DVD sales that they previously negotiated. Now they realized they shorted themselves and want more money because they bungled the first deal. The studios have no obligation to give in to all of their demands.

Plus, they don't even know how much can be made off of digital media. It is still in the experimentation stages.

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Rightwing people hate, hate, hate.....that is all I ever see from them....

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You know Pat Robertson, American terrorist leader, I have read your posts and it strikes me that yours are among the most hateful of any here.


I could add a snide remark or two, but I know the best thing to do is to simply pray for you:


Heavenly Father, I've made my share of snarky remarks in this thread and I ask you (and my fellow posters) to forgive me for being trite and spiteful at times.


Please shine the light of Your truth into these darkened hearts; please forgive them! Their souls are so seared that it seems to me that no good thing can penetrate, yet with You the impossible is possible.


You are just in holding us responsible for our iniquity, our rebellion. You are merciful and loving in that You took the consequences of our rebellion in our place and offer the free gift of forgiveness and reconciliation if we'll simply acknowledge our need, accept Your pardon (that Jesus died to pay for), and let You recreate us to be the magnificent creatures You intended from the very beginning.


Pat Robertson, American terrorist leader has free-will just as I do and everyone else does; we can choose You or we can choose ourselves. You allow us to choose an eternity separate from You, just as You allow people to use the talents You gave them for good or for evil. The concept of love is meaningless unless it's possible to choose or reject another, to choose slavery to ourselves or to choose freedom in You.


Of course, Lord, You know all this, and You asked me to humble myself and pray for those here who hate me and others in Your family. You don't want any of them to perish; Instead, You want all of them to come, and when I shove my own petty feelings aside that's what I want too.


So folks, what will it be? You can accept Jesus or you can reject Him.


He wants to know that you love Him even if you can't see Him, that way He knows your love is sincere and that you're not simply "loving" Him for what you can get out of it.


Once you've died, you're decision is final because EVERYONE at that point will know He is God, thus the choice becomes meaningless. To "not" decide is to reject Him, in the end of things, there are no "fence sitters." Nor is ignorance any excuse: if you've read this far, you can't claim ignorance.


Today is the day to choose Him; who knows if you'll be alive to see tomorrow?

Ike:

I support the writers. They do not make nearly as much money as the studios and executives want you to believe they do. Good writers are much harder to find than you might think.

If the studios and networks get away with screwing the writers, then big companies in all industries throughout the nation will take this as a lesson: Let's screw our employees even more than we already do. Employees can be fucked over. Let's all fuck them over.

Although perhaps C.A. Bridges said it better than I ever could:
"Don't like the shows? Don't watch 'em, as many of you have said you won't. But are you honestly in favor of companies, any companies, getting away with stiffing their employees?"

Agreed.

jD:

i was getting stiffed and changed jobs. now i'm making a lot more money.

if hollywood isn't paying you what you deserve. find a new job. oh by the way...i'm a copywriter working for a major worldwide corporation, and i am fairly paid. the good jobs are out there.

J. Philip, Mt. Olive, Louisiana:


Personally, I really liked the " Honeymooners."
,,

jD:

Ralph Waldo Emerson: Self-Reliance

we need more of this in America these days.

Tim:

I don't really care what issues caused the strike, and I really don't care if the writers ever come back. What I DO care about is that the strike took Oprah, Letterman, and Leno off the air at the exact moment Hillary, Barack, and John "The Millionaire Poor Guy" Edwards needed them most for some free, softball Q&A venues! The timing couldn't have been better! A million thanks to the WGA and I really do hope you guys stay on strike forever! The world is already a better place!

free market:

let the free market rule, if you write a script then you should try to sell it the highest bidder. If you write for a show that commands a lot of money for commercials wouldn’t you want to be paid more than the writer writing for a show that can’t sell commercial time. Someone said, "good writers are much harder to find", that is why they should break from the union, all the union does is try to reward the bad writers, how would you feel if you (a good writer) makes the same as me (a bad writer) just because the union negotiated the deal? I would be pissed off, if I was the good writer. It sounds like the good writers are getting screwed and the bad ones are making money based on the good works of a few.

oh no:

oh no, if you tell that Mike and Mike on ESPN Radio is scripted, and i will kill my dog! :>)

Ken:

I don't care that the writers are on strike. I get over 250 stations on my satellite and after much searching, I usually end up watching news programs, sports or shows from the last century. I don't miss inferior programs and writing I don't watch.

A prolonged strike only means I will be able to do my nightly search more quickly before I give up.

Goose:

I own mutual funds which have stock in most of the big studios...so if the writers win, profits will go down and my retirement will go down. The writers want to think they are the little people being hurt, in reality a majority of Americans now own stock/mutual funds which are being affected by this, probably more people than actually watch the shows themselves. Big companies are not evil, since most are owned by thousands of little people anyways.

your daddy's real son:

corner gas, from brent butt is one of the funniest shows i have seen,

Canucks make better lovers and writers!

Taylor Warren:

The country is better off without those bast@rd$ and their opinions anyhow. Adios! It any of you retards could actually see the big picture of things you would have absolutely nothing to talk about. All you see and understand is what is right in front of your faces.

Some Guy:

They'll strike, or quit, if the compensation deal isn't fair. I don't want anyone getting paid more or less than they deserve... but these things will work themselves out. If good writers are indeed hard to find, then the writers will win this, or the american public will prove that they don't care how good the writing is in their shows by watching mindless drivel (already happens... anyone watch "dancing with the stars?"). If good writers are a dime a dozen... well I'd hope some of them are willing to cross the picket line and show us what they've got.

The problems with unions and strikers is the fact that those willing to work during a strike are demonized. And the government supports this line of thinking through legislation. To my way of thinking, obviously if someone else is willing to do the same job, just as well, for what you're refusing, then maybe you aren't worth what you thought.

And no one... NO ONE... should demand to be paid more than their labor is worth. That happens too much these days... what ever happened to good old fashioned capitalism?

It's quite funny, all the flamers and trolls ragging on bloggers. I mean, it's just too easy to dream up some silly alias and drop snarky comments like road apples falling out of a horse's butt while he's walking in a parade, isn't it?

Most bloggers at least have a fixed identity, and thereby assume some responsibility for what they write. A lot of it is tripe; certainly a lot of my blogging is tripe, but for me it's like belching--better out than in. Read it or don't read it; it's all the same to me.

Now, as a freelance writer, I would love to have a salaried gig at $45-$60K a year. Beats all hell out of beating the bushes to find some editor willing to pay you ten cents a word, which BTW, is about what a freelance writer made during Mark Twain's lifetime. To give an example, one of my latest queries was to a publisher who is charging $895 for a quarter-page ad and $2950 for a full page. Selling a lot of advertising, and claiming a circulation of 50,000. But in her words, she "can't afford to pay writers." Then the next ten minutes are spent listening to her complain about the trouble she is having getting one of her freebie writers to produce an article, and do it on deadline. What bullshit.

On the other hand, I empathize totally with the writers who are at the absolute bottom of the totem pole. You have these dingaling actors pulling down 10X more per episode than the writer makes in a year, not to mention the executives, who do nothing useful whatsoever.

But I don't understand bloggers "striking." That's just too silly. My site gets about 600 reads per day. How much would it affect anyone if I kept writing or quit?

Dudeman:

The funny thing about strikes nowadays is that the people doing it can clearly AFFORD NOT TO GET PAID FOR A WHILE.

think about that.

IN CALIFORNIA.

in the old days... when strikes were needed to correct wrongs... people went without eating for days to get their message across and strike. Now... it's for "a greater share of the profits".

But just what the bloggers hope to accomplish I'll never understand. Nobody pays them anyway. Ad revenue, maybe, but to strike against your advertisers? Isn't that a little stupid? what have they done?

Booga Booga:

Remember professional baseball and football players going on strike? The world didn't stop, the sun came up, I had plenty to eat. I haven't gotten into ball sports since. They created a fan of drag racing however....

They don't work all year anyway. I'd love a job where I could make 45-60k per year part time with no risks and no sweat. Hemorrhoids, papercuts and deadlines being the only peril they face. Somebody will cave, writers will go back to "work" and the sun will rise.

justin:

I blame Bush, all this is his fault!! I bet the dems could fix this! Please give me my free check now, oh poor me!

I work for a printer. Among my various duties are the creation of artwork for the production of engraved professional stationery. I make a decent wage, which is a little bit lower than the average for the striking writers. According to union logic, I should also be paid X% of the order value for each business card we print and ship, and then the guy for whom it is printed should also pay me Y% for each time he passes out his business card.

And here's the deal... I totally get the residuals thing. My primary vertical market is the legal industry, and IP attorneys are a large part of that. I get it.

...but I don't agree with it as it is currently conceived. If you are an independent contractor, then you have every right to negotiate the best deal you can get for your product, including residuals. But if you are an employee, then it is usually deemed in most industries that your employer owns the rights to the work that you produce during their employment of you - including projects that you develop on the side while working on assigned projects, if you developed those side projects using employer supplied facilities and equipment. Just ask anybody who works in engineering or chemistry for instance.

Personally, I think the union should butt out; but that will never happen. It seems to me that union members' biggest argument should be with their union leadership. Therefore, union members need to restructure their agreement with their leadership, wherein the leadership gets held to a level of accountability that ensures no more ball-dropping on their part, since that is a large part of what's at issue here.

Beyond that, I would urge all of you to both quit the union AND quit your jobs. I know it is counterintuitive, but there IS a method to my madness...

You quit the union because they don't deserve your dues. They screwed you by not taking care of your business, and now they are screwing you by telling you to walk off your jobs. How much is each of you collecting in strike pay? Does it even come close to what you were getting paid before the strike? I'll bet it doesn't. Do any of the union leadership take a cut in pay when they fail to perform? I'll bet not. Do they refuse paychecks and try to exist on strike pay while all of you are out on strike? I'll bet they don't. They should go piss up a rope.

You quit your jobs because it levels the playing field between you and your industry executives by creating a sudden and large demand for your services, AND it helps to put the union in the grave where it belongs. Those industry execs have the job openings you want and they want the product that you have. You have the product that they want, and you want their job openings. It's a win-win situation. What are they going to do? Stop producing and airing shows? BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA! Of course they won't. They can only show re-runs of David Letterman for so long before their viewership will dries up along with their advertisers' budgets. They like those big fat salaries THEY earn, and they can't do that without you.

You writers are actually bargaining from a position of power, but you just don't see it yet. However, in order to be able to capitalize on that, you have to let the free market work its stuff, and you have to do that by eliminating the middle man - namely the union. All those bastards did for you is bring you to where you find yourselves today. Big whoop. Those of you who are really good will command top fees and will get rich. Those of you who are good enough will make comfortable money. Those of you who are hacks will be forced to find work in another arena better suited to your talents, and at a pay grade that is commensurate with those talents - which, by the way, is exactly how the rest of us have to live.

Bonus points: We'll all have better TV.

That's my 2¢.

jD:

i love when people leaving comments call others idiots, retards, and morons, and then they can't make a clear point and misspell about 5 words in the process. now that's comedy.

BART :

Maybe if the negotiations don't goes as they want maybe we can get better writers for the late night shows ..

They already make more then enough money doing a crappy job writing lame jokes for Leno and Letterman but if they feel the need to make more I hear Mcdonalds is hiring..

As for the keyboard warriors known as bloggers who the hell cares what you do ... maybe you can take over for the over paid staffers in the writers guild when they all lose their jobs

We would be glad to join the strike but unfortunately someone has to stay awake and try to tell those watching TV and worrying about the strike that there are more important issues at the moment. Feel free to check our blog to see what I mean. It will be up and running. The American Dream most of you are used to is about to come to an abrupt end if you all do not WAKE UP. They still use the term ``American Dream`` because you would have to be asleep to believe it.

Gary Housed:

Good, go ahead & stop writting. There is plenty of other thigns to do or read. Hmmm, maybe the Classics? In print and on the screen! As long as Rush is on the radio and Matt Drudge is putting out the Drudge Report, who needs the TV News either. Please quit your writting and go buy a grocery cart.
God Bless America!!! And God Bless our men and women defending our right to do stupid things in safety.

Alex:

The universe will end. Blogs will stop being written. For a whole 24 hours, we will have to live without the valuable and important contribution to society that these second hand leeches on the entertainment industry make.

I for one will stay in bed, ill from my lack of self-serving hollywood pap.

Mike C:

Bart:

They make too much money? Would you like if someone just up and decided that your talents aren't worth whatever you are paid, in whatever profession you are in? They make in the neighborhood of 4-6 CENTS off a $20 DVD, while the studio pockets $9. And that 4-6 cents is divided amongst all the writers collectively.

Gary Housed:

"God Bless America!!! And God Bless our men and women defending our right to do stupid things in safety."

AMEN.

Cheryl:

Ok.

But you do know paid writers hate bloggers, right? This little fit of self-importance is not going to win over their hearts. When the strike is over, the paid writers will go right back to calling you "fat old losers in their underwear banging on a keyboard as if anyone cared what they thought about anything."

Pat Robertson, American terrorist leader:

Don't all you stupid conservatives get it! If the union loses, it will mean Hollywood will hire a bunch of illegal Mexicans to write the scripts. You don't want illegals stealing jobs from Americans. So support the writers for better pay and benefits before the Mexicans steal it for cheaper money and no benefits.

Romano:

People actually read blogs? :D

Deagle:

Too funny... I just love the bloggers on strike idea... Heh, can us poor browsers and homemakers go on strike also? Yes, that will show them...loony idiots that they are...

Cheryl:

Why would paid writers hate bloggers?

Many people write for pay and also maintain web logs. And in any case, nobody's web log erodes the capacity of someone else to write for a living.

strangelet:

C.A. Bridges: Thank you for your concise summary of the issues. You also display remarkable patience on a thread with some folks whose opinions are outrunning their analytical skills. (E.g., it could be that the median income is $42K and the average is $202K -- if, for instance, the average is pulled up a lot by the 10% or so of writers who get big-time residuals. E.g. 2, clearly, anyone who thinks a guy making $60K as a writer in Hollywood is doing great has not spent much time in LA).

But, as far as unions go, the WGA has to be sort of a historical holdover, doesn't it? I mean, despite all the Hollywood-is-Sodom crap, there *are* well-written shows, and badly-written ones. Perhaps I'm naive, but I assume that proven good writers manage to make more in base salary than proven bad (or not-yet-proven) ones. Are there salary scales, or does the WGA exist mostly to deal with global issues like residuals or perhaps job rules? Just curious, and I thought you might know.

I also have just realized, in reading about this, that unlike conventional strike situations, there are certain individuals (Leno, O'Brien, etc) who can, by deciding to honor the strike, each force a hundred or more other production folks to honor the strike de facto, with or against their will. That's weird.

strangelet:

C.A. Bridges: Thank you for your concise summary of the issues. You also display remarkable patience on a thread with some folks whose opinions are outrunning their analytical skills. (E.g., it could be that the median income is $42K and the average is $202K -- if, for instance, the average is pulled up a lot by the 10% or so of writers who get big-time residuals. E.g. 2, clearly, anyone who thinks a guy making $60K as a writer in Hollywood is doing great has not spent much time in LA).

But, as far as unions go, the WGA has to be sort of a historical holdover, doesn't it? I mean, despite all the Hollywood-is-Sodom crap, there *are* well-written shows, and badly-written ones. Perhaps I'm naive, but I assume that proven good writers manage to make more in base salary than proven bad (or not-yet-proven) ones. Are there salary scales, or does the WGA exist mostly to deal with global issues like residuals or perhaps job rules? Just curious, and I thought you might know.

I also have just realized, in reading about this, that unlike conventional strike situations, there are certain individuals (Leno, O'Brien, etc) who can, by deciding to honor the strike, each force a hundred or more other production folks to honor the strike de facto, with or against their will. That's weird.

Greg:

Everyone is a liberal until they acquire their own wealth/income, then they can't run fast enough to get in the conservative line.

Greg:

"there are certain individuals (Leno, O'Brien, etc) who can, by deciding to honor the strike, each force a hundred or more other production folks to honor the strike de facto, with or against their will. That's weird.

Liberals are anything but liberal. They work harder at trying to control other people's behavior, what can be said and where everyone's money ought to be going - doesn't sound liberal to me, sounds controlling, manipulative and more like a shakedown/extortion.

Michael:

What a strange bunch of reactions. Strikes are what happen when negotiations break down. Why aren't people complaining about the producers letting this happen? It takes two to strike.

And about residuals etc. Most countries in the world have more robust authors rights where all these discussions are handled collectively once and for all. So there is less need for unions.

Also, concerning outsourcing: most of the major writers' federations worldwide have warned their members against scabbing, and recognize that the WGA has a very strong case.

i guess drudge dropped the tag:

i guess drudge dropped the tag and everyone is reading about something else...

I watched the Unit last night and that show is starting to suck, I guess the writers knew when they wrote that show that they were going on strick and started to slack...

Maggie:

Blogger1947: You only get 600 hits a day? That's sad. Many of the bloggers that went dark yesterday have thousands and thousands of readers. They aren't weirdos sitting at home farting about on their computers but have just as many readers as typical newspaper columnists. That's why they tried to draw attention to the strike... so their readers would get the hint.

As for the rest, lots of morons posting here.

oyun:

nice very nice blog

David Webb:

I peronnaly feel both side are stupid. They want us to watch TV and then they cut off the means to view it. Both sides are acting like two spoiled rich children fighting over the same toy. Soon they will totally break it then noone will enjoy it. How much longer do both sides think viewers will put up with this childiest behavoir. What a terrible example they are setting for young people around the world. I for one have got tired of this and soon going to give up on tv all together. My advice to both sides is this ACT LIKE ADULTS NOT CHILDERN AND SETTLE THIS SOON OR THEY WILL LOSE MORE THEN A FEW BUCKS AND THAT IS THE ONES WHO ARE MORE IMPORANT AND THAT IS US THE VIEWERS. PLEASE DON'T TURN US OFF. SETTLE SOON

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