Netflix’s head of content made a bold claim during an appearance Monday at the UBS Global Media and Communications Conference in New York. Business Insider reports that Ted Sarandos hinted that the streaming service’s Pablo Escobar series “Narcos” is more popular than the HBO megahit “Game of Thrones.”

Sarandos made the comparison in response to a question about a recent survey that concluded “Narcos” is the second most popular show, after “Thrones.”

Sarandos noted that Netflix viewing is not measured directly against viewership on traditional TV outlets.

“Sarandos didn’t go into numbers, as Netflix is prone to keeping those secret, but he suggested that internal data led him to think ‘Narcos’ is actually more popular than ‘Game of Thrones,'” the story reports.

Said Sarandos: “We’re pleased to take the number two spot, but think it’s number one because they don’t measure all the devices.”

Sarandos also reportedly said Netflix will produce 31 original programs in 2016, a huge increase from the 16 shows produced this year.